People SCREAMING on your range?

[Floridaboy]

I know this would not fly on the Pro ranges during a tournament.  So I'm aking for some opinions on the subject.  If your shooting in Open C and you have Womens Hunter shooters mixed in on your range and your at the stake at full draw making a shot......would it bother you for people on the target behind you or two targets over.....to go screaming and hollering because they somebody shot a 12.  If you had a noisy person in your group standing behind you yelling down the range to a buddy....or some unruly kids making a bunch of noise....or a loud cell phone ringing at your back.....I believe someone might have something to say.  So does anyone consider it a distraction for people screaming and hollering when they are trying to make a shot???

[bhtr3d]

NOPE.....it's all about having fun.....       If that is a distraction  then the person needs to learn how to not let outside things become a distraction to them, it's a part of learning.   

Everyone knows the women on the womens hunter range gets excited....and in my own opinion....let them have their fun....Their class numbers have been on a constant upward climb.     

[Finger]

 I know the ladies can get a bit overzealous but they are having fun. We need to allow them to continue to have fun. If they were on my range it would not bother me in the least but then again where I shoot is a long way from the "Pro" level.

[Kygirl]

This must have been your first time out there -- I hate to tell you, we were VERY VERY quiet on Saturday and Sunday - the scores will show that ... as the season goes on, the party continues    

Finger/BHTR - thanks guys - i'm glad you understand how important it is for us to all have a great time when we shoot - that's the reason a lot of us come  --- we've looked forward to the season kick off for months!   It was just like a great family reunion 

Ya might want to invest in an Ipod and earbuds if it bothers ya that much----   kinda takes me back to two years ago in Metropolis when some idiot in Open C kept screaming "boo-yah" everytime he shot a 14 ---   it took us awhile to coach him into "Whoo Hoo!"     We've had LOTS of guys in our groups that have been "Whoo hoo"ing by the end of the end of their rounds w/ us -- and they continually tell us they had a better time than they had ever had before ---  i think it would be GREAT for the Open C guys to whoo hoo along with us ... there might be more smiles and less grim faces that way  

Love ya gals!
~Kygirl~

[wdmjr3dbowguy]

Wow, some open c guys are lil wound tight.  Yall ladies make me smile everytime I hear it...I heard a few sunday morning, lets hear some more at columbus....

[rbngrn]

Nobody should be screaming while you are at full draw because if they are only two targets down from you or anywhere on the same range you should all be pulling at pretty much the same time.  The difference in our ranges and the Pro ranges is that we don't do this for a living and they do.  This is a game and we should be enjoying it.  Maybe if you are that serious about shooting you should join the Pro class and you won't have to worry about anyone making noise.

[jon morris]

 There is a time and a place for a cell phone.
 Not on a range while we are shooting. As for
 the ladies...scream on...

[bownut65]

  I shot open c this weekend and the women were all fine.They might have been alittle loud but they definitly did not scream.They had fun and that is what it is all about.I never once  heard a cell phine ring on the range which that should not be happening.
 So my question were you in the group that was not going by the time limit and holding everyone up all weekend?
  By the way it is open c not the pros and there is a big difference.Lighten up and have fun.

[mcarte10]

I am glad to see that most of the guys are so understanding about the women.  I even have a few guys here locally who will Wooo Hooo when they hit the 12 or 14.  It's no secret that women and men have different attitudes about this competition.  Hopefully once you have shot a few times, it will become less of a distraction.

[RobertM]

Screaming??  Shoot......y'all ain't heard screamin' until y'all have heard all the "noise" that occurs when the Rob (wearin' his loin cloth) and Brother Billy (doin' the Fat Man Dance) hit the range.

[CutTheLoop]

Devil's advocate here...

First, I couldn't care less if there's giddy screaming, farting, machine gun fire etc, I have played enough tournament golf to learn to tune stuff out... I can respect someone
else' desire to whoop and holler, yet they should maybe respect the folk's
around them. They too paid to come shoot.

Yes you have the "right" to make noise, I have the right to cuss like a sailor if I choose to, at least the Constitution says so , however; if I am around people whom I have a feeling may not be comfortable with it, I curtail it out of respect for 'their' wishes... I don't simply tell them "tough...I have the right to cuss if you don't like YOU leave or join in the cussing"

And again, distraction is a poor excuse... if you made a bad shot, as we all have, why insist on having something else to blame it on. Maybe you should practice with noise, or a group of guys who yap while you are shooting... might do wonders for your nerve on the stake. Train like you fight.

respect: it's still a 2 way street.

My point of view may not be the same as yours, but I'd like think I'm welcome to expressing one as well.

Peace

[Floridaboy]

And again, distraction is a poor excuse... if you made a bad shot, as we all have, why insist on having something else to blame it on.

Well at the time I was 10 up shooting the best tournament at ASA I have ever shot. Had shot no 5's or 8's.  The great guys in my group are encouraging me and as each of us got to the stake we all had respect for the shooter and remained quiet....not to much to ask and the same consideration was given to all.  This group who (counted to 3 before they hollared....They were close enought to hear that) hollared was not down the range...they were directly across from me. So when the arrow went way low...they said, "What happened".....one of the guys says....."He jerked when they hollared". 

I agree it is about having a good time and enjoying the fellowship of competition....so I guess I will continue to be respectful of the 95% of the range who have come to compete and learn to tune out the other 5%.

[RobertM]

You need to shoot a round or two with Quickdraw, JAWS, Billy Dover, Mr10ss, Tbone, and the Rob.  After that, nothing will make you lose focus during the shot.

Tell y'all what......y'all start shooting fast and will make less noise.

[3rdplace]

You need to shoot a round or two with Quickdraw, JAWS, Billy Dover, Mr10ss, Tbone, and the Rob.  After that, nothing will make you lose focus during the shot.

Tell y'all what......y'all start shooting fast and will make less noise.

Yep let Billy "Ben" Dover wear your loincloth for a real distraction!

[The Undertaker]

With all due respect to everyone who has posted. Had Floridaboy filed a protest with the competition committee I'd have to thing it would be upheld. If you aren't allowed by rule to be talking with others as a distraction, wouldn't yelling on a range be MORE distracting? I tune out very well. Practiced for 2 years with a 70# bluetick at the end of a chain right next to my 30 yard mark trying to get loose and eat me. Still, there are those that can't and they'd very much like to shoot well too. Sure, you have a right to cut up. BUT, others have a right to the opportunity to shoot their best.

I LOVE the ladies classes and the originality they bring to the sport. If they had their own range there would be no worries at all. As that's not logistically possible, a little consideration goes a long way.

ASA, might I suggest that ranges where this is going to be an issue not be allowed to shoot "free pull". The ladies can whoop it up at the target and not have anyone punch at full draw. I see this as a safety concern as well. If the bow is elevated on the punch I've had arrows land at my feet after making a left turn of 90 degrees bouncing through the trees.

There are simple solutions, everyone lives. (To quote Charlie Wilson) Open C might gripe now about having to wait... The controlled pull is an option laid out in the rules, so, tough noogies.

[The Undertaker]

I'll add this as it relates to the safety issue. After the Luminock/Bill Baker tribute in Paris, arrows were recovered 300+ yards away... some nearly 400. I know I don't want to be responsible for impaling anyone. Either by shooting the shot or by distracting the shooter.

The LAST thing I'd do is suggest someone should use an iPod to cover up my distracting behavior. What happens if that shooter has an issue and NEEDS to hear someone telling him to let down? Ever seen anyone draw back unloaded?

Some on both sides have very narrow frames of reference. I hope the ASA can step back and take Floridaboy's concern and consider all possible outcomes.

Not to beat a dead horse...but the whole group can be docked 10 points for each occurrence after a warning. Nobody wants to be the Ahole who calls it though.

[bhtr3d]

These are all nice posts:   

Just a simple wording to  understand:     To rules there is this:
Letter of the law...an  spirit of the law. 

In looking at this:   We have need to look at the big picture here:  Our women's classes have been growing at an astonishingly growth pattern.   Shoot,  ASA as a whole is growing while all the other organizations are loosing and depleting in numbers. 

    If you don't mind, I am going to use Undertakers  number quotes for a second: 
          As he stated  that arrows were  launched 300 and up to 400 yards , now this was also done in a  open air environment.   Granted, sure anything can happen as to were an arrow can be propelled.   But also in the same instance.   The chance and probability of that happening in the element of where the shoot is conducted is  extremely slim. 
         Also, in how the ranges are set up at  this particular location even makes it even less of a chance of any of an arrow being discharged and going that far, as there is nothing that close. 
 
           Also, to the rules.....I don't think that the protest would of gone into affirmative,  but  more towards the negative...

[The Undertaker]

As I said, narrow frames of reference. And I hate to have to spell it out. But, here goes.

Scenario... You're shooting under free pull. The lanes next to you on both sides are clear. To your right, 2 shooters are left on the next lane past the open lane. You proceed to the target...say a 39 yard deer.  As you're scoring a group yells over their score and you hear a twack...two lanes over.  The last shooter punched on his 26 yard pig at the sound, hit a limb, his arrow turned at less than 90 degrees and now one of your group is headed to the ER.

Can you see now why 300-400 yards isn't an issue? Just because the odds are against something does not mean you shouldn't do everything you can to prevent it.

I've personally shot an arrow and hit a VERY small hanging vine I'd not seen that turned the arrow almost 90 degrees.

And if you can bust a person for his cell phone being left on and causing noise...why in the world would whooping it up not incur the same penalty?

Devil's advocate looks at the possible outcomes and points out them out. That no one has been stuck yet is what I find amazing.

I'd also bet the insurance wouldn't cover if a rule in place to prevent safety concerns (ie distractions) was ignored with the knowledge of the organization.

Again, there's a bigger picture to consider than some of you want to deal with.

[RobertM]

Letter of the law.......ok, Lady Bowhunters, be sure to bring your stop watches to the next Pro/Am and time all the Open C shooters.  Per the rules:

SHOOTING TIME ALLOWED:
A. Each twenty (20) target Unknown Distance round will be shot in three hours and thirty minutes. Each twenty (20) target Known Distance round will be shot in three hours. However, it shall be the final determination of the Tournament Director to cancel, postpone, delay tournament activities, and / or determine the appropriate time frame for completion of the round in the case of inclement weather or extenuating circumstances.
B. Each group will be responsible for monitoring and adhering to the following pace of shooting:
1. Upon commencement of the round by a verbal announcement of the range official the first shooter at each target will be allowed two minutes in Unknown Distance and one minute in Known Distance to shoot his arrow.
2. Each remaining member of the group will be allocated one minute to shoot.
3. Each group will be permitted four minutes to score the target, pull arrows and reach the next stake at which point the time allotment procedure repeats.
4. Any shooter who fails to adhere to their specified time limit will receive a warning from the group or range official for the first offense. The penalty for all subsequent offenses is a deduction of five points from target score, and each subsequent offense will receive a score of zero.

[wdmjr3dbowguy]

I can not believe you are going to blame anyone but yourself for making a bad shot.  If you made a bad shot, YOU did it.  If you come to these shoots with a stick that far up your butt, maybe you shouldve just stayed home.  Worry about your own shot and tune out the noise around you.  If you were 10up I wouldve imagined you were in a zone, and wouldve not been distracted by the noise.  PS-Open-A/semi pro range is quiet if you wanna get off the porch.

[canam]

The whoo hoos were few and far between. We have already decided that we will not be like a tombstone out there. IF something like that were to happen, the numbers that we have worked so hard to increase will surely go down. I'll be the first to sit at the clubhouse. I am not going to drive x number of hours and pay x number of dollars to have my fun spoiled.

As for distractions, I can say that my first shot on the range was an 8 due to a distraction. I can tune out nearly anything, but that DRYFIRE that came from the Open C guys (1 of two from them) surely messed up my season opening shot.

Perhaps Mike should put us with the Super Seniors. They appreciate us.

By the way, I really do appreciate all of the support that you guys who love us are giving. You get it.

By the way, if you read Mike's post, you won't have as many of us to worry about next time. The WK40 will be the only class out there. Will we whoo, hoo? You're darn tootin we will.

[Floridaboy]

I certainly apologize, because I did not know the success of the Womens Class was due to Whooping and Hollaring.
I guess some people come to compete and some come to "just have fun".
If trying to get on the podium is not part of your game and just flinging arrows is, then I do apologize.

If you are going to whip out the rule book.....then under section M ( Spectators and Guests) 

#3. Spectators and guests are to avoid conversation while others are shooting as a courtesy.  All cell phones and pagers are to be turned off to avoid disturbing the competitors.

Shooting Rules...under section H

As a courtesy to fellow competitors there will be no talking to spectators or other groups while other competitors in the group are shooting.

With this said, I would ask the Tournament Director or Mr. LD FALKS to comment, criticize, or give an opinion on this subject IF YOU DARE!!!

[carlosii]

Dang! This here is startin to sound like some of them posts over on Archery Talk...sure hope that don't happen!

[bhtr3d]

nope that wont happen.....    just enjoy the shoot and have fun

[KMckie786]

I for one enjoy hearing people have fun! It relaxes me and reminds me that this is a game and to make it fun. I also find that when I am having fun I tend to shoot better. I mean lets be real ... how many tournaments have you ever shot that were like being at a funeral? There is going to always be distractions!

If you are at full draw and going through your shot sequence and for some reason get distracted and your concentration breaks then let down and start over. Its not the womens fault you made a bad shot. It soley lies in your head and in your control. There is always going to be something that you can blame a bad shot on. I dont think you can make youself better until you start blaming yourself for a bad shot and firguring out why you made a bad shot. If they distracted you and made you throw a shot then I would think that I need to work on my concentration a little more.

Try shooting a 300 round indoor with arrows stickin you in the butt and and people laughin and talkin right behind you, with camera flashes goin off behind you and see what that does for your concentration!